Red Box Q&A Archive #1
This message board was intended for anyone having a little trouble getting their red box to work, having problems finding crystals, etc. But this forum was closed in 1999. There's still a lot of good information in here though, so scroll through and see if you can find anything useful! You might also try reading our Red Boxing For Dummies page which is the net's best resource on red boxing.
TOPIC - Dialing 311
DATE - 09/18/98 23:46:59
FROM - WunderKind 410
I think 311 is a circut opener. Did you try dialing
out after you dialed 311 and then hung up? It
used to be that you could shut down a fone for around
15 min to 30 min. But that was in 410, and it got
abused so it won't work here anymore.
TOPIC - Ossilator to control tones...
DATE - 09/18/98 21:46:19
FROM - Wrighter Hey, I was wondering if one of you electronics gurus could help me out. I made a white box out of a 5089 DTMF encoder & both a 3.5 and a 6.5 MHz crystal (I don't know what kind of crystal, okay?) . To convert it into a redbox, I need to add an ossilator (I know that's not how it's spelled) to control the speed of the 25 cent beeps and one to control the timing for the nickle and dime tones. Everyone I know around here wants to know exactly what I am going to use it for before they help me out, and I don't trust them. I know I can do this with a resistor network or a 555 timer chip. Someone help me out if you can.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Live ops
DATE - 09/18/98 21:23:05
FROM - Wrighter Wizdumb,
I don't think that would work because I think the m. fones have an ISDN line or something to ESS, through which they send the data directly that you deposited a coin. I am not sure exactly how they work, though. I have never heard of anyone having success with this.
In Phase,
I think I already got that schematic and correction. I can never find the freaking 2600 mags aroung here either. Nobody has them. Oh well.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - live operators
DATE - 09/18/98 19:54:11
FROM - Wizdumb houston - No domain availableDo you think playing the tones at a live operator would work to box the Milleniums?
TOPIC - Tones and Fones
DATE - 09/18/98 01:32:33
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idaho 208Hey i was phucking around last nite and i was dialing x11 numberz like 211,311,511,611,711,811 and when i dialed 311, i got this wierd tone. I thought wow! a test loop!! so i got on the other fone line and dialed the 311 and then on the other i dialed 311 but they both just played the same tone! any answers?
Also, Wrighter, yea thatd be kewl if we found out how to phreak a Millineum fone. Only problem, for me at least is finding one OR if i did find one find it in a inconspicuious spot. hehe i dont think it would look good to my parents if i was caught boxing at the airport. Thats like the only millenium fonez around here.
Blue Box Kid
TOPIC - Millinium fones
DATE - 09/17/98 23:52:38
FROM - Wrighter Wizdumb,
As of yet, I don't know of any way to red box those phones. I think that might be a good project for some of us on this board. Hey, that would be pretty niffty to be the first phreaks to box a millinium phone. If we can find a way to do this, think how famous we would be.
~Wrighter
(hey I think this is the shortest post I've ever made!)
TOPIC - Millenium Payphones
DATE - 09/17/98 22:06:54
FROM - Wizdumb Houston, TXIs there any way to Red box those new Millenium Payphones?
TOPIC - ...
DATE - 09/17/98 19:15:27
FROM - S0ulfyre 318-LouisianaEraser:
"Last night, I built my first red box"
Hehe. Well maybe you can give me the cat number of the crystal you used?
TOPIC - Burn Out
DATE - 09/17/98 17:00:31
FROM - -/eraser\- northcarolina - No domain available Last night, I built my first red box and it worked fine and I was really excited about it. A friend of mine is making a deal with me and I was showing it to him and during the day, my pocket started to get really hot. So I pulled out my box, and the side of it where the main battery wire (black) was, around that area was warped. I mean warped like it was blowing a bubble of black plastic from the inside. At first I thought it was my crystal, but when I opened it up, it was on the other side of the tone dialer. Is the because of the power usage or what? Does anyone have a compelling story for radioshack since I'm going to try and return the now non-working tone dialer(with the 3.whatever in place of the 6.5 of course)? I already soldered the outside of it so I could cut the 6.5 out and resolder the 3.whatever. Also, I have all the parts for the stealth box and really want to build it, but the only plans I have for it are off this page and I really don't know what a regular capacitator looks like and its too general. I guess I'm whining so I'll shut up for now.
-/eraser\-
TOPIC - RB
DATE - 09/17/98 13:40:31
FROM - In Phase S0ulfyre-
In your post, did you mean that you were interested in finding out the frequcncies the ACTS system expects from a pay phone? Well, the answer is, it expects a DTMF combination of 1700hz + 2200hz. When you modify a Radio Shack dialer, the "*" key, generates something very close to 1700+2200 which fools the ACTS system.
The NORMAL frequencies a "*" generates are 941hz + 1209 hz
Wrighter:
For another schematic diagram to build a red box, look in the Summer '93 (v10 #2) issue of 2600 magazine, and for a correction to the circuit, look in 2600 Autumn '93 (v10 #3).
TOPIC - Paralell / capacitence, etc.
DATE - 09/17/98 03:29:15
FROM - Wrighter S0ulfyre,
I am glad that we are in some agreement; I was afraid you would be offended (I wasn't intirely civil) and it would get into a bunch of petty fighting. But anyway, I am also just starting to learn about electronics, and that is why I got into phreaking & boxing: as an interesting way to learn about electronics, and the phone company while I'm at it. I didn't notice anything about paralell/series or capacitence or anything besides the frequencey of the crystal when I bought it. Probably because I ordered it according to Mouser's web site, which doesn't offer much product description. Anyway, maybe you can help me out, since you already know about electronics. I am trying to make a "scratch box" - aka a red box made with ossilators, or a DTMF encoder + crystal, or a combination of the two. I tried to build the box by JR "Bob" Dobbs and the one by Kwiq, but I could not get either to work. While it could be a mistake on my part, I kinda doubt it (I tried each several times), because I have yet to find someone who has actually made one of these kinds that actually worked. Tell me what you think.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - xtals/merc.switches
DATE - 09/17/98 03:13:40
FROM - P-Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableYo for all the people out there that need xtals I have 20/6.50Mhz xtals from mouser and 10 mercury switches(metal not glass)..oh and by the way about this
"xtal war" as far as i'm conscerned (from experience)6.50000Mhz works best...this is because I've boxed Ops and they never know the difference.....although I would like to get a hold of that 6.4xxMhz xtal that some people keep talking about and compare the two
to see which works best.
lates
TOPIC - Circuts
DATE - 09/17/98 02:42:36
FROM - Magus-Ohki Ok lets see....S0ulfyre I'm still learning electronics (hense the reason I got into red boxing). I have amased quite a bit a knowledge on my own, but there are a few concepts that are new to me. When you said...
"The difference is that one is calibrated to oscillate in a series resonate mode and it looks resistive in the circuit. The other one is calibrated to operate in an anti-resonate mode (parallel) and it looks inductive in the circuit. The proper load cap is important because changes in the load cap will result in a pulling of the frequency."
I think i missed a few things. First off, exactly what did you mean by "Resistive in the circut" and "inductive in the circut"?
Second off What exactly did you mean by "changes in the load cap. will result in a pulling of the frequencies"?
An honest question if you ever heard one.
TOPIC - ...
DATE - 09/17/98 01:36:34
FROM - S0ulfyre 318-LouisianaWrighter:
"A while back you mentioned that you are a newbie. Well, don't expect people to help you if you maintain this attitude"
Quite right. I was out of line. I just don't understand why most of you dedicate time to making red boxes but don't even remember the main component. It really makes one wonder how many of you build boxes to learn about the electronics and the phone system and how many want to just leech off of Ma Bell. It seemed like a simple question to me with a simple answer. In a way blow-daddy answered my question. He said that the tone dialer is wired as a parallel circuit, but because of his ignorance (no you're not stupid blow daddy ;) of the difference between series and parallel crystals, it makes me wonder if he knows what he's talking about. (no offense meant.)
BTW-I said I was a newbie but I didn't mean it in the traditional since. I have been doing electronics for a while now. It's boxes and hacking devices that I'm new to. Hope I didn't cause any confusion.
Also, I agree that in my original question regarding frequency I was not as specific as I should have been. What I wanted (and still want) to know was what is the frequency generated by ACTS. However, when I did restate my question I got like 5 posts about "This crystal war is So Lame" or "just get the 6.5536 ones!"
This was not what I was wanting to have answered.
Magus-Ohki:
"What is the difference between the serial and paralell crystals?"
It's series and parallel. Please see my post below. I believe I have covered the importance and difference between the two.
Once again, I apologize if I come across as being an asshole. I just like to have more answering of questions and less newbie bashing in a forum.
S0ulfyre
s-zero-u-L-f-y-r-e@hotmail.com
P.S. Yo Ray Dios Haque. What protocol does the blue box you are making use? R1,R2, or C5? Please let me know I'm very interested.
TOPIC - Beige Boxes
DATE - 09/17/98 00:43:24
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idaho 208AHHAHAHAH
YEA! I just went to Staples Office Supplys and got a Southwestern Hell "trimline" fone today! Got home and converted it to a beige box. it kicks ass! I am like able to listn in on ppls conversations like my parents untill i can go to a telco can or something. I wired in a DPDT switch to the microphone on the handset so i can choose to be heard or not. hehe it is sooooo kewl.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU GUYS HAVE TO GET ONE! THEN, AND ONLY THEN YOU CAN BE A TRUE PHREAK!!
:-)
Blue Box Kid
TOPIC - LCD Dialers (again)
DATE - 09/16/98 18:59:25
FROM - Quake Phreak CABoy, things have really gone to hell since I last stopped by... Anyways, to answer Blow Daddy's question, the new Radio Shack LCD dialers are catalog number 65-721. They are physically smaller than the old, 43-146 models, have a 3-line LCD display, can store 75 data entries, each including a name and two phone numbers, it doubles as a white box (really now) and has a built in 10-digit calculator that can do percentages along with basic arithmetic.
If you want to see a picture of what it looks like, follw the link below. The page also has info on modifiying this new dialer with a toggle swtich, although I chose to go the mercury switch way.
TAM - Tone Dialer Red Box
TOPIC - sds
DATE - 09/16/98 18:50:37
FROM - hey dssdsds
TOPIC - ???
DATE - 09/16/98 03:02:11
FROM - Magus-Ohki What is the difference between the serial and paralell crystals? I don't seem to find any reference to it in text files, e-mails, or even catalogs. This is the first I've never even HEARD of a difference.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09/16/98 02:57:04
FROM - Magus-Ohki Blue Box Kid......you are absolutly RIGHT! I myself thought there was realy no difference in the crystals (which there kinda isnt) till someone told me that a 6.49 or 6.50 was actualy more relyable than the other kinds (not very much more.....but still it could make a difference)
TOPIC - LCD Dialers
DATE - 09/16/98 02:29:33
FROM - Blow Daddy The 213 Phreaking Scene - No domain availableS0ulfyre, thank you for the correction. I never realized how stupid i was until you came along and posted.
On another note, can someone give me more info on Rat Shack's new LCD Dialers? What does it look like? Part #, etc....?
thanx
Click here! All the popular kids are doing it!
TOPIC - FORGET THE PHUCKING CRYSTALS!
DATE - 09/16/98 02:29:28
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idaho 208God Damit! Phucking shiiiit head phreakz. Sorry to put it so blatently, but i to am tired of hearing about crystals. Like I said in my earlyer post, 6.4 is what i use, but phuck! Just use anything from 6.4 thru 6.50. PERIOD. No more fags saying hey i was just wondering if a 6.5535 is better!!!! SHESH! i am so damn tired of this. Maybe I will go do what Wrighter did, find an empty corner, or like fone booth and cry about the stupidity of our nations fone phreakz. Sorry guyz. I guess i am tired.
Blue Box Kid
TOPIC - More crystal wars.... sigh ...why am I writing this?
DATE - 09/16/98 00:33:28
FROM - Wrighter S0ulfyre,
Hmmm. I don't know what to say. I am somewhat stunned. This may be unorganized, but here I go:
"Also, I keep seeing people ask about what is the
correct frequency (6.46 or 6.49) and no one seems to want to answer it. Can
someone finally clear this up for me and all the other people who want to know"
This is a part of your post from 9/10/98 (I thought I would follow suit and quote) where you ask what what is the "correct" frequency. I am not sure that you made it clear that you were speaking of the actual frequency produced by ACTS, or the frequency that "seemed" to work best. This is probably why you didn't get a direct answer. Also, to return to my old favorite philosophy (the one that reading is cool, remember?), if you would have read the rest of the first postof mine that you quoted, you would see that I in no way claimed to be an expert on crystals and their frequencies. So what I am getting at is simple: I DO NOT KNOW. I have no idea what cap, var, paralel vs. series combination is the best, and if you really care what I think, READ the posts. Also, it is a good idea to ask for clarification or restate your question if answers are not satisfactory. Just going off irritates people.
Secondly, "cheapo phone that could have easily been made into a portable white box" is exactly what is sounds like. I take the phone, add an internal power supply and thus is becomes portable. I don't know why you are hung up on this, but I was simply emphasizing the ease with which this phone could be made small and portable (as a white/beige box). I mentioned earlier that the phone was all one piece (no seperate handset/base), and so especially suitable for conversion. Not a big deal.
Lastly, every once in a while a few people on this board like to spew new ideas. They may not make any sense at first, but may end up as a revolution in phreaking. Don't knock them. Also, jumping on people because they "imply that series and paralell crystals are the same," or because they don't seem to know as many bloody facts as yourself, is a poor show of maturity. A while back you mentioned that you are a newbie. Well, don't expect people to help you if you maintain this attitude. But then again (okay, I can't help it, the sarcasim scratches through...), maybe you should be helping the rest of us. I guess we are all just morons, since we "don't remember which crystal we purchased." ~Sigh~ Methinks I will go cry somewhere. I apologize to everyone else for such a long, useless post.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - crystals, again....
DATE - 09/16/98 00:26:34
FROM - hmmm... Why does everybody INSIST on taking the long and expensive route to buying a crystal for your red box? Why go to the trouble of buying one from a company that wants to know detailed information on the characteristics you want your crystal to exhibit?
Just look in Blacklisted 411 magazine, or in 2600 mag's Market Place and you will find ads for "red box crystals". You don't need to think about this....just send them your $4, and they send you a crystal that magically turns a RS dialer into a redbox. It's EASY....so DO IT!
TOPIC - aRG
DATE - 09/15/98 23:44:28
FROM - S0ulfyre 318-LouisianaNow wait a minute. This is fucked up.
I just went back to the How to make a red box thing and whoever the hell admins that thing (rbcp?) changed the mouser cat number for the crystal. I checked it against the catalog and it's now fucking series! What the hell is this? It seemed like a simple question to me. I don't see why none of you seem to know which crystals you bought when you made one. You remember the frequency but not the type? Strange.
S0ulfyre
s-zero-u-L-f-y-r-e
TOPIC - .........................
DATE - 09/15/98 23:30:16
FROM - S0ulfyre 318-LouisianaWRIGHTER:
"It seems so far that using any crystal between the
values of 6.4 and 6.55xxxMHz has worked."
"I'm sick of the "which crystal is better" war"
Yeah I wasn't enquiring because I wanted to know what crystal to use I was wanting to know what the frequency that THE PHONE GENERATES is. There's a difference.
"cheapo phone that could have easily been made into a portable white
box,"
If I'm not mistaken, a white box is just a portable DTMF gen. So exactly why do you need to take a phone and change it so that it gens DTMF tones? It already does. Or do you mean like you don't have to connect it to a line for it to gen?
Blow Daddy:
"he mhz xtal is series or parallel, it is just a crystal. series and parallel are terms used for entire
circuits. the rat shack tone dialers are hooked up in parallel."
Um. So are you implying that series and parallel crystals are the same? The hell they are. Why do you think Mouser and Digikey advertise them as being different? The series & parallel crystals are physically (the piece of quartz) the same. The difference is that one is calibrated to oscillate in a series resonate mode and it looks resistive in the circuit. The other one is calibrated to operate in an anti-resonate mode (parallel) and it looks inductive in the circuit. The proper load cap is important because
changes in the load cap will result in a pulling of the frequency. In the "How to Make a Red Box" phile they give a Mouser Cat number which seems to be for a parallel crystal but since I wasn't so sure I wanted to hear it from someone who knows what they're talking about. Basically if anyone knows the type or Cat number for the crystal they used and they know it works then that's just what I want to know.
ERASER:
"but they want to know all this wierd information like the varience and stuff like that"
Wierd info? No. Just info that you don't bother paying attention to. They want the load capicitance and the temp tolerances I believe. For load capicitance it would be 12 picofarads and I don't have the temp tolerances with me at this moment. But basically you only need the tolerances and caps and stuff if it is parallel not if it is series. This is why I keep asking if the crystals are parallel or series!
TOPIC - US West
DATE - 09/15/98 20:02:44
FROM - Tweeter Minnesota? - No domain availableAll the fones around here are us west, and when i try to make any call, i get the goddamn operator! it doesnt even let me call 10288 or 10333. If anyone knows anything, or is a phreak in the 612 area code, email me please.
Thanx!
TOPIC - Cool
DATE - 09/15/98 18:52:23
FROM - Quake Phreak CAHell yeah man, go for it!! Maybe I should go out scouting for some phreaks in my area... As for the crystals, I'm getting sick and tired of it!! Don't get 6.5536 if you can help it! Most people here order from Mouser or Digikey, and they both have the 6.50 variety. Get that instead! Even better, try and find a 6.49 crystal, but otherwise 6.50 is just fine!! Yeesh...
TOPIC - Crystals, web page
DATE - 09/15/98 12:18:54
FROM - Wrighter Crystals, crystals, crystals!!!! That's all anyone ever talks about. Just get whatever freaking crystal you can. I'm sick of the "which crystal is better" war. I cared for about 2 minutes which was the best crystal (it's always good to be accurate) but after 2 zillion posts about it, I say, "use which ever one works and you can get!"
Anyway, that's my rant for the day.
I think I will put up a local PLA page for my area. I don't know anyone real interested in phreaking, but I know people are out there (well, maybe they are. Whenever I went to the 2600 meetings, no one was there). I want it to be a good resource for everyone, not just local phreaks. It would be cool to have new ideas and inventions up there, like a Timex Data Link redbox, instead of all the ancient texts. (Blah, blah, blah) Unfortunately, it would probably have to go on xoom or something until I switch ISPs. Let me know what you guys think. I want lots of input/new ideas/new perspectives to go on the page. I'm sick of the stagnanticity.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Crystals
DATE - 09/15/98 01:43:29
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idaho 208Hey everyone, listn up. Why are people so stupid? Dont get the 6.5535 or whatever!!!! Go with the 6.50 or the 6.49 if you can find it. I personaly am useing a 6.4 mhz crystal. I think that is good enough well, even better than the 6.5535. I fooled an Operator with it the other night. So if you are gonna build a Box, do it right and dont be a cheap ass baztard please.
Blue Box Kid
TOPIC - xtals
DATE - 09/14/98 15:51:47
FROM - blow daddy CA - No domain availableJust get the 6.5536 ones
TOPIC - Datalink 150
DATE - 09/14/98 00:21:07
FROM - Discobubba 860 area of CTPhatFone,
Thanks for the suggestions but I am looking for the 150 model. I'll have to check out that Timex Data Link Developers Link later. damn if this idea worked that woulb be the most kick ass:)
TOPIC - Red Box Mhz
DATE - 09/13/98 18:57:35
FROM - -/eraser\- Wilmington, NC - No domain available I was just wondering; even if we did know the exact Mhz crystal(6.46 or 6.49) just think, where would you get it? Radio Shack, Mouser, Digikey? I tried Calcrystal and then custom make them, but they want to know all this wierd information like the varience and stuff like that. Someone said, "Just tell them you want them to make a 6.49(or 6.49) sub miniature mircoprocesser HCU crystal). Could someone confirm this stuff and sort it all out?
-/eraser\-
TOPIC - Millenium
DATE - 09/13/98 04:28:18
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idaho 208Yea Wrighter, thats what i was thinking too. Those newer fones maybe have some sort of digital signaling. I was thinking like it was directly connected to the ESS equipment and instead of ACTS tones, it like maybe ISDN or somethin over the info that you put in a quarter or whatever.
TOPIC - Data Link as Red Box
DATE - 09/12/98 13:38:45
FROM - Wrighter Phatfone,
Wow. I checked out that site, and it looks more like the code is a hybrid of assembly then C. That kinda sucks; I know C alright, but hardly any assembly. Anyway, it talks something about "sound schemes." I assume these are noises generated for feedback whenever the buttons are pressed. The site says these sound schemes take up about 32 bytes, but your app doesn't have to have one. If you don't have to have one, I assume that also means you can make your own. I say that any of us who have a clue in assembly should try this. I think it would rule, too bad I don't have one of those watches! : )
BTW - does anyone know if the "Millinium" fones function on a regular old telephone wire, or on ISDN? (This is more spew). Also, if they are on ISDN, then they theroretically are not using ACTS at all ---> the information that a coin has been desposited is controlled entirely by the phone itself. Someone let me know if I am way off on this or what. We don't have many Millinium fones, so I never get a chance to mess with them (they are only is really crowded places like the mall and the university).
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Data Link as a Red Box
DATE - 09/12/98 12:48:14
FROM - Phatfone 316Discobubba,
I noticed that Walmart sells a Ironman Data Link for $50, but I don't know if it will support wristapps. I have the Data Link 150, which does support wristapps, and I know that the 75 model doesn't.
Wrighter,
Probably the best site I could find for Data Link wristapp development is the Timex Data Link Developer's Resource. It has programming tutorials, protocal information, and other stuff. I believe that the language is some sort of C varible. I know PASCAL and old skool BASIC, and only dabbled in C. I am trying to learn Java, which I am told is alot like C++, but that won't help much.
Timex Data Link Developer's Resource
TOPIC - Timex Datalink
DATE - 09/12/98 01:54:05
FROM - Discobubba 860 area of CT- Phatfone,
I've been wanting one of those watches for a while now so I've decided to buy one recently, havin a bit of problem finding a reliable company that has it in stock though. From what I know you'd have to know alot about how the Datalink is made to create a program for it but I could always try. I'm kinda doubtin it could be done though.
TOPIC -
DATE - 09/12/98 00:02:28
FROM - Magus-Ohki GAME BOY RED BOX? THIS ONE I GOTA HEAR!!!!
TOPIC - Re: series or parallel?
DATE - 09/11/98 21:52:27
FROM - blow daddy CA - No domain availableIn response to S0ulfyre's question a while back on wether to get a series or parallel crystal....
the mhz xtal is series or parallel, it is just a crystal. series and parallel are terms used for entire circuits. the rat shack tone dialers are hooked up in parallel.
TOPIC - fingind people, and learnin
DATE - 09/11/98 17:28:39
FROM - quest/tilt trenton, NJ - No domain availableum..... i needa know if there are any phreakers around my way...... and if they could help me get started. i just recorded a wav off my comoputer to my stereo. and when it asks me for money..... it don't werk. tell me some tips.
TOPIC - a good box
DATE - 09/11/98 16:41:05
FROM - 2600trans L.I. NY If any one wants to get a really small device to hold your tones the recordable picture frame from radio shack is good and it only costs nine bucks right now. and you can use the picture area to hold a paper with your favorite numbers on it. Mine has not failed yet.
TOPIC - Wrist watch red box
DATE - 09/11/98 13:40:59
FROM - Wrighter Phatfone,
That would be really cool if you could turn your watch into a redbox, very spy-ish (hee hee). I don't have one of those watches, but let me know where you got those apps; I would like to check it out. Do you program at all?
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Timex Data Link
DATE - 09/11/98 13:03:15
FROM - Phatfone 316Does anyone have a Timex Data Link Watch? You know, the kind that you can transfer data using computer software to your watch via your CRT computer screen.
You can store appointments, fone numbers, etc, and you hold the watch up to the screen and it zaps the data over to your watch.
Anyways, some ppl have developed their own "wristapps" for the Timex Data Link 150: programs that run on your watch. So I was downloading some wrist apps, and I got one that makes the watch play various songs. So then I got to thinking...RED BOX WATCH!
Now I don't know if this is possible, but if the redbox
freqency was in range of what the watch could play, then it would be possible to program a wristapp to emulate redbox tones. Like I said, this all depends on if the watch can create the fequency, so I don't know if its possible or not...
BTW,,,,I want to hear more about the Game Boy Red Box!!
TOPIC - rat shack digital recorder
DATE - 09/11/98 01:40:13
FROM - FiShFooD canada,ontario,905 - No domain availablewassup?!...i just recently bought a 63-939A digital recorder. I dont know if the sell it in the states or commonly but this recorder is small as all hell and is thin..it has like a 20second memory recording system. I just wanted to know if i can use this to red box or is it too cheap(i got it on sale).....also...when i tried red boxing...everytime i beeped the tones in the operator said the price was decreasing.....and so i figured.....hmmm....thats good...it finally works!....but then when i finally beeped the last 50cents and was done....i got a different tone...and i thought this was like the international tone but then i got some phucked up message and then i got cut off!.....either that bitch was phuckin wid me or i did something wrong.....anyways....phreak out!
TOPIC - Re: red boxing (b0utit 2600trans)
DATE - 09/10/98 22:25:52
FROM - Wrighter (I decided) b0utit,
You need to go back and get the other one in order to box with it. I am still working on a red/white box from scratch, which might be adaptable to a plain dialer. Some day.
2600trans,
If you mean a regular telephone, I converted my memory Sony phone into a red/white box, but then converted it back (it was the only phone I had at the time). It would have been a HUGE white/red/telephone in one. Maybe I can still tweak with the design, to make it a white/red/beige box. Anyway, I played with a cheapo phone that could have easily been made into a portable white box, but I am still working on making it a white/red box.
If you are talking about portable dialers, everyone seems to use the Rat Shack 33-memory pocket dialer. The crystal is really easy to find and replace. The hardest part will be getting the bloody thing to close up right. Hee hee, we all have had that problem....
~Wrighter
TOPIC - red boxing
DATE - 09/10/98 17:13:42
FROM - b0utit ???I just went to Rad Shack to buy a fone dialer and Dammit i bought the wrong one. So i basically have a white box. Can i convert this into a red box or should i get the one that stores numbers? Please Help its my first box.
thanx
b0utit
TOPIC - white to red
DATE - 09/10/98 16:23:09
FROM - 2600trans L.I. NY Has anyone succesfully converted the telephone keypad into a white and then a red box and is the old crystal easy to identify?
TOPIC - IC 3330
DATE - 09/10/98 01:20:50
FROM - Wrighter - Gatsby I thought I would throw this out:
Today I was looking up pinouts for different ICs, when I found an IC, number 3330, which is described as being a DTMF encoder/repertory (aka, memory) dialer. It is manufactured by Philips, but other then this, there was little information about it. I think this must be the type of IC in Rat Shack dialers. I don't know what the pinout is, or even how many pins it has, but it would be really conveinent to have a memory dialer in just one IC. If anyone has more info on this, please post. I will continue to investigate prices/pinout/availablity/adaptablility, etc.
BTW - no new progress on my scratch box - I haven't had much time.
~Wrighter - Gatsby
TOPIC - Re: Please help
DATE - 09/10/98 01:10:42
FROM - Wrighter - Gatsby SoulFyre,
To tell the truth, I have no idea if my crystal is paralelle (I can't spell, either) or series, or what the capacitence is. I really don't think it matters much. It seems so far that using any crystal between the values of 6.4 and 6.55xxxMHz has worked. If they ask you about capacitence and such when you order, just say you want a "microprocessor" crystal, or that it doesn't matter, cause its just for testing purposes, or whatever.
I am far from an expert on crystals, so if anyone else has info that they know is true, or contrary to this, please post it. Please don't just go off about what "you heard." I wouldn't worry about it much, myself, but I hope this helps.
~Wrighter - Gatsby
TOPIC - Please help...
DATE - 09/10/98 00:41:37
FROM - s0ulfyre 318-LouisianaHi. I'm a newbie getting ready to make my first red box and I had one simple question. When
buying the crystal do I need parallel or series? If it's parallel then what specs do I need (i.e.
capacitance and stuff like that.)? Also, I keep seeing people ask about what is the correct frequency (6.46 or 6.49) and no one seems to want to answer it. Can someone finally clear this up for me and all the other people who want to know?
Please help!
S0ulfyre
s-zero-u-L-f-y-r-e
TOPIC - 6.66bla bla crystal
DATE - 09/09/98 22:41:43
FROM - Cycosis - No domain availablei built it using the instructions on the pla page havent got a chance to use i on the payphone yet but it sounds good
if it dosent work im going to be pissed
what is the exact freuency again??
TOPIC - US West
DATE - 09/09/98 21:37:10
FROM - Phatfones 316Hey Newbie,
I work at Colorado in the summer, and I hardly ever run in to the new fones, so as Janet Joplin said, "Get this while you can!" Is US West still on strike? Because if they are, you might as well have some fun with it!
TOPIC -
DATE - 09/09/98 17:15:43
FROM - crazy1/4 man I am talking to my exgirl-friend she is pissing the phuk out of me damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOPIC - Hmm...
DATE - 09/09/98 03:10:37
FROM - Magus-Ohki In Phase......good idea. Would you happen to know where working plans for a single tone red box are?
TOPIC - Help???
DATE - 09/09/98 02:41:18
FROM - Angel of chaos CanadaAnyone from 204 (Winnipeg,manitoba,Canada) have ANY idea how to redbox off of an MTS payfone? (You dial a number and it gives you a busy signal.) If anyone has any soloutions or anything,e mail me..
-AOC
TOPIC - Crazy1/4 in Idaho
DATE - 09/09/98 02:04:29
FROM - Blue Box Kid Boise, Idaho 208Kewl! I have no phucking idea where you were or where you stayed at. Humm, never heard of that type of pay fone. Was it a "dual COCOT's"? Those are the two COCOT fones put side by side to make it easyer on us phreakz. heheh. Yea, I am from Boise, you know, the capital! heh. Dude, btw how old are you? I am 16. Also, do you have an email address?
If you dont, sorry to say this but cart your ass over to MicroShaft's Hotmail. It's sad but true: they are the best free email. You can see my address above.
Ok, now to anyone who will answer me. Ok, my friend and I went out the other nite, well, i snuck out of my window. Anyway, he picked me up and we went around town phreaking off the US-WEST fonez with 1010288. Well, for some reason my box, i just resently made a combo box with a SPDT switch. All the connections were good. Also, i am continueing to use my 6.4mhz crystals since they work. But it was wierd. I couldnt get the AT&T ACTS computer to kick over when i played my tones. I always got an op and finaly got really pissed at the third one. WHOA! she was mad as a hornet. SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE!!!!
Blue Box Kid
TOPIC - US Worst
DATE - 09/08/98 21:33:02
FROM - hmmm... hey newbie/612:
The "OLD" US West phones work just fine for redboxing.
The new "Millenium" US West phones DO NOT WORK!!
TOPIC - red boxing
DATE - 09/08/98 20:34:53
FROM - jimmypop888 col oh - No domain availableOK I boxed alot from the sam phone for about 3 days. all of the calls were local useing 411 allways worked then yesterday I tried to box long distance and it would say the call could not be connected I tried another phone and it worked fine does the phone co know when your boxing oh OCI got ani but you can still make people accept calls anyone have this happen to them let me know
TOPIC - ???
DATE - 09/08/98 18:52:05
FROM - newbie Minneapolis (612)Hey, i love this place, and i read all the posts(179 screens!) I was just wondering if US West fones could be Red Boxed. Thats the only kind ive seen around, and i dont want to waste 30$ making a box if it wont work.
PS: Is anyone else from the 612/651 area code?
TOPIC - bbk
DATE - 09/08/98 17:56:09
FROM - crazy1/4 Hey Blue Box Kid-
i was in idaho yesterday and it was cool. i went fishing down Bitch creek, Badger creek, and the teton.
we stayed in driggs. what part of idaho are you from?
i red boxed a fone at a place called "O'Rorucks" (they had good food)the fone worked! it was a "teaton telecom" fone. i called my ex-girlfriend.
TOPIC - red boxxing in SC
DATE - 09/08/98 13:06:55
FROM - dj_kulture south carolina - No domain availableDont build a red box if you live in Upstate South Carolina! I just spent 30+ $$ to build one and all
of the payfones here are either Bell South or private
owned phones. On the Hell South phones you cant use
the mouthpiece until you are connected! Yes I tried the
dropping a nickel in trick and that doesnt work. I went to a bout 20 different payfones! none work. YES the tones are right, and I know i could go through a
live operator, but who want to do that all the time.
Besides, I would have to make a lot of long distance
phone calls to break even for the cost of the redbox and most of the calls i would normaly make are local anyway! So now I have a piece of shit red box sitting around cause I have NO use for it!! Redboxxing now to me at least SUCKS!
until we come up with a way to phreak these new fones (and we will) I am going to just use a lousy 35 cents!
TOPIC - 3900 Hz
DATE - 09/08/98 11:48:00
FROM - In Phase Magus-Ohki:
Why not just make a tone generator that only produces one tone? Make a circuit around a 555 timer that "counts" 3900 times a second, and connect the output to a speaker. This would produce a tone at 3900 Hz, which is the tone the Canadian system uses. The 555-timer will generate a square-wave, and not a normal sine-wave, but hopefully it will still work.
Using a filter would require such tight tollerances, it would be extremely difficult.
TOPIC - Blue Boxing
DATE - 09/08/98 09:59:30
FROM - Ray Dios Haque United Phreaks SyndicateWrighter, I guess I am aiming more for just plain fun. Boxing does not work anymore unless you live in a VERY backwards place, or, you can connect to a C5 (which I understand are becoming quite rare). I would still like to build one and make the plans available for anyone else daring to take on this mutha'. It would also be tune-able, of course, so that you could make it generate about any conbination of DTMF tones. I dunno. Yeah, it's silly. But hey, we are hobbyists. You shouldn't question the usefullness of any of the silly crap we do. :)
-Ray
United Phreaks Synidcate
TOPIC - filter
DATE - 09/08/98 02:05:42
FROM - Magus-Ohki I had an interesting idea for getting a Rat shack red box working on a Canadian phone, but I don't know enough about electronics to do so.
Ok American phones use two freq. of tones piggy-backed on each other-the very same set emulated by the rat shack box. But a Canadian phone only uses ONE tone. Big problem...or is it?
What if you could disconect the box's speaker (the one you put on the mouth piece) and attach some sort of filter that blocks out the offending tone, then connect the output of the filter to the speaker?
Could that theoreticaly work?
If it does work, all one would need to know is what crystal to buy, and how to build a filter thats small enough to be portable. Who knows, Canadian phreaking may turn out to be easier.
Give me some feedback, ok?
TOPIC - Why a blue box?
DATE - 09/07/98 21:58:21
FROM - Wrighter/Gatsby Ray,
Why are you making a blue box? Blue boxing doesn't work. Or are you making it for nostagic value?
I decided not to use the 15-memory schematic for my new box; I think it will be too big, too expensive, and frankly, more work then I'm willing to do. But if any of you guys want the schematic, let me know. Instead, I think I will use an oscilator or timer or something to make the tones. I finished the keypad too, but it will eventually become a matrix of buttons. Although the buttons would be considerably more expensive, they would be more accurate then the keypad.
P.S. I am trying to decide which name I like better, and may use them interchangably until I do. (just to confuse everyone) Give me your thoughts.
~Wrighter/Gatsby
TOPIC - canadian phreaks?
DATE - 09/06/98 16:22:04
FROM - FiShFooD Ontario .............any canadian phreaks successful in red boxing?....i got problems....e-mail me.
TOPIC - Red Box's
DATE - 09/05/98 22:12:47
FROM - Ray Dios Haque United Phreaks SyndicateBlow Daddy, the CAT# for the new LCD dialer is 65-721. The model number for it is EC-389. They classify it as an electronic organizer, not a 'dialer' or a phone device.
What is up with that Gameboy mod? I would like to see this. How the hell do you get a Gameboy to produce Red Box tones. Is there a special cartidge that is used?
Also, to anyone who cares.... I should be done with my Blue Box schematic soon. I need to order the parts so that I can lay out a good PCB design, and then I will post everything.
-Ray
United Phreaks Syndicate
TOPIC - (none)
DATE - 09/05/98 16:35:38
FROM - blow daddy CA - No domain available
In quite a few posts back, Magus Ohki wrote,
"Need more room in you old style Tone dialer? Well remove the beeping speaker, and break off the plastic that held it. Whats that you say? Need MORE room? Ok....in the lower right corner or the black blob there is this tube-like object wraped in plastic with ribs down the side. What is this thing? I have no idea....but I do know one thing....its important to the useless speaker you just removed."
The beeping speaker is not totally useless. It generates the tones that are created when you press the "memory" key, or when you press P1, and there is nothing stored there.
Anyway, i was wondering what the part number is for Rat Shack's LCD tone dialer is. What does it look like? I went there yesterday, and they only had the regualr dialers. Then, he metioned something about an organizer that dials. Is that the one? Thanks for all your help.
-Blow Daddy
TOPIC - Operator on the line!!!
DATE - 09/05/98 13:59:07
FROM - hmmm.... Hey Anonymuz:
The words of the paranoid say: "Never box a call to a persons house for longer than 20 minutes, or the operator will check it out!"
If you want to box for longer than that, have your friend go to a payphone, and call him there.
TOPIC - Re: New Redbox Stuff
DATE - 09/05/98 12:56:03
FROM - Wrighter Gabe,
what is the advantage of using a gameboy, versus a Rat Shack dialer? I know they are bigger and more expensive, and a stealth combo box would provide the same feature as the password. Does it produce accurate tones?
Also, which Rat Shack dialer is hack-proof? heh heh heh.
And to keep you guys posted on the progression of my box (if anyone cares), I added the keypad yesterday, but I made a mistake on the PCB, so I have to redo it. Oh well. I also came across a schematic for a 15-memory dialer, but it looks like it would be huge. I think I will try to integrate the memory part into my dialer, because right now anyway, my dialer is still pretty small.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - New Redbox Stuff
DATE - 09/05/98 12:02:14
FROM - Gabriel Knight MichiganI use a gameboy to redbox, how sweet is that? And if anyone asks me what I'm doing with a gameboy playing into the phone I just turn it off and turn it back on. That returns the gameboy to a password screen. I might be willing to sell a couple of these if anyone is interested. BTW My friend was at a cheapskate con in Canada and he said the speakers held up a bag of the cheaper style crystals that work in the new RS hack-proof tone dialer. Any ideas? BTW ,again, Are there any other tone dialer products from RS that I can just put a new crystal in? I have two 6.5's sitting around with nothing else to do...
TOPIC - Operator
DATE - 09/04/98 21:51:53
FROM - Anonymuz CaliI was using my redbox today, and iwas talking for 51 minutes to a friend when the operator came on line. The guys says, "ok, (210) 375-xxxx (my friends #) will be billed for 51 minutes." Does the phone company actually have the rights to bill him? Even if he didn't know i was using it?
TOPIC - Mercury Switches
DATE - 09/04/98 17:10:22
FROM - Quake Phreak CAI got my mercury switches from Mouser. Stock number 107-1001 I think. They are metal and about 5cm long. $1.66 each I believe. Just do a search for "mercury" on their site.
TOPIC - Red Box Construction
DATE - 09/04/98 17:04:49
FROM - -/eraser\- I was just trying to gather up parts for building and White/red combo box. I called Radio Shack and they said that the mercury bulb switches (275-040) have been discontinued. Does anyone know where I can get the switches? I tried Digikey and Mouser and couldn't find any. There has been a lot of talk about which crystal is the best or exact or smallest. I heard different versions of different stories and damn is the text size small. 6.5536 was suppose to be the easist to find, 6.5 was the smallest or something like that and 6.49 is the exact. Now I'm hearing that 6.46 is the better than the 6.49? Can someone please clear this up? Thanks.
-/eraser\-
TOPIC - LA-Phreaks
DATE - 09/04/98 13:43:45
FROM - P-Phreak CA,LA - No domain availableoh by the way if your gonna email me tell me where you are
and where you think we can meet or something lates
TOPIC - LA-Phreaks
DATE - 09/04/98 13:42:00
FROM - P-Phreak CA,LA - No domain availableIf your in the 213,310,562,626,818 area and would like to phreak out
BELL sometime or just whatever .......email me
TOPIC - Redboxes
DATE - 09/04/98 04:18:52
FROM - Lint Lodi Ca - No domain availableHey all, just thought id let everyone know for the record, I built my redbox today from a radio shack memory dialer, and it worked perfect the first time, although it takes some fiddling to get the xtal in and close the box. I ordered my xtal from Digikey. It work son almost every phone on my small town of Lodi, Ca.
TOPIC - FUnky @$$ Dialer
DATE - 09/04/98 02:59:04
FROM - Tofu CA - No domain availableOk, I just got back from a lil' vacation, but on my way back on United Airlines, I was flipping through those catologe thing they got for you to look at and I found this product:
"Just say the name, and our Voice Activated Auto Dialer dials your calls for you"
Instead of always punching in multiple area codes or credit card numbers, let the new Voice Activated Auto Dialer do it for you.It'd easy to use: A synthesized voice prompts you for a name to call, asks which number to dial (home, office, mobile, or other), then confirms your command as it automatically dials the number by emitting true tones into your phone reciever. Now you can make more calls in less time -- and never have to bother looking up a number. The voice-guided menu makes it easy to add, delete, or modify your entries. Stores four phone numbers per name for up to 50 names per category. (Total capacity is 200 contacts and 800 numbers.) Measures a pocket sized 4 1/2"L x 2 3/4"W x 7/8"D. Operates on two AA batteries (not included). A 'Sharper Image Design' exclusive.
Being this dialer carries a hefty price of 99 bucks, I just wanted to know if anyones heard of something similar to this being converted. Everyone I've asked so far has no clue if it can or not. Anyways, I just remembered someone earlier stating any dialer was convertable, so I just wondered what everyone else thought. Anyways, this cataloge thing has a website at www.skymall.com. I havnt checked it out yet, sorry.
TOPIC - calcrystal
DATE - 09/04/98 02:35:59
FROM - crazy1/4 I was just at www.calcrystal.com trying to order a 6.49
crystal. and when i went to submit my order form they kept on saying that i left my "real name" space on the form blank. What The Fuck!! i put my name in.
and is it true that the 6.46 crystal works better and is the exsact freq.
TOPIC - AT&T SHIT
DATE - 09/04/98 00:44:50
FROM - Blue box kid 208 Idaho I was over at the mall and i was trying to call my friend AcidCrawl. Well, i dial his number, then ACTS said 3.20$ please....... so i am all beeping in money and all of a sudden this this THING! says 3.20$!!!! i am all thinking shit! an operator! So i start beeping in and the bitch is "Wow! that is a really poor recordeing you have!" hehe i am all "Fuck You Bitch!!!!!" then i slam the fone down. HEH so i go up to Dariy Queen and get a Blizzard and come back down to a different fone right? So i dial his number again and this dude comes on. " hello? Are you even puting money in the machiene?"
me: "uhhh yea."
op: Ok and is it giveing you your money back?
me: no.
op: ok lemme give it back to you.
he clicks off the line for like 3 seconds then comes back on.
op: ok did you get your money back?
me: uhhh yea thanx.
op: ok move to a different fone, the one you are on is broken.
me: Oh, ok! thanx man. By the way, FUCK YOU! ITS A RED BOX YOU BASTARD!
then i knocked the microfone against the fone it self to pop his ear piece. HEHEHEHE. but dude! i was scared1!!!
TOPIC - Circuit Layout
DATE - 09/03/98 22:08:31
FROM - Wrighter I too would like to see a real schematic, and am somewhat intrigued as to why I haven't yet. There are enough phreaks out there that you would think somebody finally idetified all the components and drew up a schematic. I thought about doing this myself, but this is not a simple thing. I may come pretty close to the same thing when ever I finish my scratch box, though.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Circuit Layout
DATE - 09/03/98 21:56:06
FROM - StLSD2000 214-Dallas,TeXasI would like to see a circuit layout/schematic of the Rat Shack tone dialer. NO I don't mean a picture. NO I don't mean a diagram. I mean a schematic which shows all components. Please advise.
TOPIC - soldering adv.
DATE - 09/03/98 13:52:33
FROM - P-Phreak LA/HP - No domain availablewell my latest soldering adventure was last night
with my new redbox ,my damn friend forgot
to bring his soldering iron, this meant no redbox, but
that didn't stop me he he he so I went to my moms
stuff and looked for that little metal thing she uses all
the time........then I opened my dialer and used it
to take out theold xtal......(bitch ass Rat Shack glued
the old xtal).......which wasn't that hard to take off...
now the hard part............I tool that metal thing from
moms drawer and heated it upon the stove.....it took
me ten minutes just to take out that old xtal........and
that damn matal rod was getting pretty hot...so I hurried
and got my 6.5 xtal and placed it in there and heated up that
rod again(which almost burnt me), and finally finished...
now to test it .....I went down the street and dialed the Op
lucky me the Ops over here are dumb and don't know shit
I told them to dial a number and then she asked for $ .35 so I say
ok here you go...............to my suprise she never knew
that I was boxing it he he he ...............but the lesson to the
story is USE A FUCKIN SOLDERING IRON.........if you don't have one
BUY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......too cheap to buy a soldering iron...........
THEN DON'T MAKE THE FUCKIN BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOPIC - soldering
DATE - 09/03/98 12:43:44
FROM - British` My latest soldering adventure was soldering on a new fuse holder onto a wiring harness on my car. Unfortuantely a week later the fuse holder melted in such a way that the circut would not be completeed. THe end result was that my car ran really hot. Argh. Now I have to do it all over again and locate the short.
TOPIC - Crystals etc......
DATE - 09/03/98 11:48:33
FROM - Phatfone First off, those of you having trouble soldering should pratice on something else first. That way you don't fuck up your box right away. Soldering with a good quality solderer is also important (I put my latest box together with a wood burning pen, heh heh. It was a bitch to solder with but it works fine.) Also if your a newbie, get the Rat Shack Data Directory Phone Dialer w/ LCD. Its alot easier to modify, and there are no questions about where the crystal is. (Its the only thing on the board!) This thing makes a great combo box, and you can program in 75 numbers of friends, the Defcon voice bridge, etc. It's true that it plays the tones so that their only reconized as nickels, but you can program in $1.50 without any problems, and its almost as fast as using quarters. I added a redbox entry to the phone directory on my dialer. Here's the seq I used:
Red Box
*****1*****1*****1*****1*****1*****
Use 1 instead of the pause key. There's probably a better way to do this, but in my experience this works fine. I hope this helps you guys that are having problems.
TOPIC - Coolio Enclosures
DATE - 09/03/98 08:32:54
FROM - Ray Dios Haque United Phreaks SyndicateI was looking through my Digi-Key catalog for a nice enclosure for my Blue Box project. They have some really nice plastic jobs with a built in 9V battery compartment, and a copper clad board (single sided) that is sut to fit the enclosure. Basically in each corner of the enclosure there is a plastic standoff built in. They rock. If you are creating your own printed circuit board, you should check these out. The price was VERY reasonable too. I found a small one I will probably get to fool with, for only 6 bucks. That includes the copper clad insert! Also if size is an issue, you may consider a surface mount keypad, and the clip on accessory. Digikey also sells these for about $13.00 total.
-Ray
United Phreaks Syndicate
TOPIC - Please help
DATE - 09/03/98 02:46:28
FROM - S0ulfyre 318- LouisianaHi. I'm a newbie getting ready to make my first red box and I had one simple question. When buying the crystal do I need parallel or series? If it's parallel then what specs do I need (i.e. capacitance and stuff like that.)?
Pleas help!
S0ulfyre
s-zero-u-L-f-y-r-e
TOPIC - ...
DATE - 09/03/98 02:42:53
FROM - StLSD2000 214-Dallas,TexasOh yeah! I forgot to mention the best part! Assuming you're ordering the typical HC/49 crystal, calcrystal only charges you about 20 cents more per crystal than Digikey or mouser! I personally think it's worth 20 cents to have the exact frequency...
StLSD2000
TOPIC - ...
DATE - 09/03/98 02:40:40
FROM - StLSD2000 214-Dallas, TexasGeez! You guys really want those 6.49 crystals don't you! I did too but apparently I was a little more resourceful than you guys. There's all sorts of companies that custom make crystal frequencies. My personal favorite is calcrystal (calcrystal.com)
I got them to sell me like 10 6.49 HC/49 crystals that worked beautifully! BTW, I was always under the assumption that 6.49 was the exact freq. but I saw someone posting something that said it was 6.46
Can someone please enlighten me on this subject? I'm getting ready to make a red box out of those new spiffy models everyones talking about and I might want to try a 6.46 if that's the true frequency.
Also, can someone tell me the location/description of the timing component in the 43-146? I'm working on an idea that allows you to switch the timing circuits when switching between white and red box mode. (Of course I've kept running into everybody's problem, space.)
Please advise.
StLSD2000
TOPIC - Soldering
DATE - 09/03/98 02:08:06
FROM - Blue Box Kid IdahoSo, some ppl need help with soldering? Ok. First thing is get a good iron with a good tip. Try to find one with a pointed tip, not screwdriver tip. The pointed tip is lots easyer to work with. Next, get a damp sponge. This is to wipe the tip off before soldering small components, or de-soldering stuff. After the tip has reached its temperature, when the solder readaly melts on the tip, set your componant or whatever and hold the lead(s), which are the wires protrudeing from the component with a pair of needle nose pliers or a solder heat sink. This is to protect the component from over-heating. Then, makeing sure the tip is tinned, which is wipeing the tip off, then applying a tiny amount of solder to it, or even better, useing electronic flux by puting the shiny tip in the can of flux, wipe the tip off, then apply the solder to the tip, just a little. bring the iron to the component. Heat the wire for around two seconds, then put the solder on the component, not the solder on the iron!!!!!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTAT! Let a very small amount of solder flow, then remove the solder then the iron! If you have done the job right, the solder will appear shiny, not dull. A dull joint is a poor soldering job. If you have any more questions, mail me at: bboxkid_69@hotmail.com
TOPIC - Scratch dialer/ PCB
DATE - 09/02/98 23:50:37
FROM - Wrighter Ray-
Yeah, if all goes well, I'll throw a schematic on the net. By the time I am done, though, I don't think it will be all-that-ultra-tiny! Heeheehee. It will probably be huge. Anyway, I just picked up some more parts for it; hopefully the tones will be a little louder. I need to get some more copper board so I can make a key pad, too. The dip switch is fine for testing purposes, but if I want to use it for a combo box, I will need a real keypad (this is the major contributer to not-so-ultra-tiny size). I will also need to re-do the circuit board for the extra components, which will make it larger. I hope in the end, it will be no bigger then a rat trap redbox, and produce realistic quarter tones.
Dark~Spirit-
Check out this site. It has some basic electronics tutorials, and some tips on saudering.
~Wrighter
Electronics Tutorial
TOPIC - saudering
DATE - 09/02/98 21:16:41
FROM - DARK~SPIRIT Ok, i got my tone dialer and my crystals, but now i got a problem, i dont know how to sauder and i dont wana screw up my dialer and waist 25$ , so is there an online tutorial on how to sauder ?? hehe, i know that was probably pretty lame, but screw you.
TOPIC - Blue Box PCB
DATE - 09/02/98 21:07:11
FROM - Ray Dios Haque United Phreaks SyndicateWrighter, when you are done you should draw up a schematic for your "ultra-tiny" design. It sounds like a hoot. I wouldn't mind making one just for kicks. Right now I am working on drawing up a Printed Circuit Board design for a Dual Pearl Box (Blue Box). This design is the cheapest and easiest I could come up with given the several schematics I found that were made by other people. When I am done I will put it up on my page for all to see. Maybe I will even do a photo article. Right now I am working on getting a list of parts and part numbers from digi-key. Once I have ordered all the parts, I will know their sizes and I can finalize the Printed Circuit Design. Be on the look-out!
-Ray
United Phreaks Syndicate
TOPIC - 6.55356MHz Crystal
DATE - 09/02/98 13:13:27
FROM - Quake Phreak CAHey, i was thinking, everybody seems to be getting a 6.55356MHz crystal and not being able to get it to work. If so, did any of you guys buy it from Mouser? And is it the same size as a 6.50MHz crystal? Well, maybe you ordered the 6.55356MHz xtal in the HC-49/US case, but it's load capacitance is in a series, and not in 20 picofarads like the 6.50 xtal is...
TOPIC - got an email account
DATE - 09/02/98 04:01:30
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idaho - No domain availableHey I finaly hauled my ass to the Microshit Hotmail page and got an account with them. My mailing address is:
bboxkid_69@hotmail.com
get it got it good!
if anyone wants some ESS5 shit from att mail me on it. not very good but it is a start!
TOPIC - OK OK OK!!!!
DATE - 09/02/98 03:28:30
FROM - Blue Box Kid IdahoOK OK OK OK !!!! kewl! i just got my SPST switch into my dialer but it is open upto 1/8 of an inch! sheit! I talked to Ray over ICQ and he said that the mercury switches are like 1/2" long, so i might as well buy them and figure out how to cram them in, or i will order them from Mouser. BTW! Good thing i have a job that payes like 180$ per week, cuz i might end up buying a new box each week if i keep modifiying! hahaha sell them to friends for like 50$!!!!! hehehehehehe.
Hey also, if anyone is interested in the hacker/phreaker busting go get the book The Hacker Crackdown by Bruce Sterling. It is good!
Well, as long as i am rambleing on i am 16, and when I turn 18, i am going to go to school to become a Telecomunication Switch Engeneer or Technition. Maybe even telco security! Sorry dudez but I need to make the fone company better. Of course, when i retire, hehe i will share all my secrets with the hacker/phreaker sceen of America! hahahahaha
TOPIC - Mark this day in history!
DATE - 09/02/98 03:26:47
FROM - Wrighter Call channel 8 somebody! Something I made actually worked!!!! While it's not a redbox (yet), it is my own nifty little tone dialer - built from scratch! For now it uses an 8-pos dip switch instead of a keypad, so it is only about 1.5" square, excluding its 9v battery and 8-ohm mini speaker. It needs some improvement yet, such as an amplifier, a keypad (or maybe an array of really tiny pushbutton switches), a register, and (if I can get it to work) a method of controlling speed of tones. Coming soon to a payphone near you: Wrighter's Wright box! Complete with red, white, and silver box functionalliy!
Ok, I'm done now... it's just exciting to finally make some progress!
And in reply to you, Crazy 1/4, I am not really all that smart or educated; you give me too much credit. I am just trying to learn and find better ways of doing things, same as everyone else. I am really kinda new to electronics. But anyway, I probably won't be much help when it comes to which phones will work. They are different for each area. You are in Salt Lake, right? If that is so, you probably have lots of different kinds of phones, some that aren't in my area. Most the phones around here are boxable, and they are just plain old bell payphones like they all used to be. Today, however, I did stumble upon a digital one. I really have it pretty easy: I just walk up to any phone and box it. I say just look for the old style phones that are bell, and not something weird. You will probably find them in the ghetto. Also, you may have to deposit a real nickle first, and did you enter the first "0" when trying the test number 09591230? That should bypass any real area code. But then again, it just might not work in your area, or on any phone but bell.
Lastly, for anyone who cares, this is my most important tip: always read. Never stop reading, never stop questioning, and read everything; not just what catches your fancy for a fleeting moment. Remember: the day you stop learning is the day you die.
I don't mean to sound all 31337 with this stuff - I'm not. This is just something I have learned, and it applies to all areas of life.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Mouser Crystals
DATE - 09/02/98 02:35:04
FROM - Quake Phreak CAMagus, the 6.50MHz xtal is on page 48 of the Mouser catalog #595. It's ECS brand, under the HC-49/US column. Stock number, 520-HCU650-20. Cost: $1.55
TOPIC -
DATE - 09/02/98 01:24:55
FROM - crazy1/4 sorry i spelled your name wrong wrighter i am sleepy!
TOPIC - writer
DATE - 09/02/98 01:22:35
FROM - crazy1/4 WRITER-
you seem to be the most educated phreak on this board. i will take advise from you the best. so since i have the 6.5536 crystal in my tone dialer will it still work cause i havent gotten it to work yet.
could bad luck with finding the wright fone be a big problem? will you name some companys that i can phreak? please give me tip's & tricks.
i need help i am a new phreak and don't know much!
TOPIC - The black note book
DATE - 09/02/98 01:21:28
FROM - Wrighter I clicked on it too, and it's a windows help file. Netscape doesn't display it as a hlp file, though, rather it shows the gobblygook like what you get when you open an executable in notepad. In fact, if I am not mistaken, the *.hlp files are just executables, with a registered extension in windows. Try going to the link, then saving it as a *.hlp file and opening it by clicking on the saved file.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - the black notebook
DATE - 09/02/98 00:38:45
FROM - noam hey phatfone, i tryed the black notebook link and it was encrypted or something because it was mostly ascii text. did i do something stupid? can you/someone help me out here?
TOPIC -
DATE - 09/02/98 00:10:03
FROM - Magus-Ohki Dear Quake Phreak,
when you were talking about crystals from mouser you said "other side of the page"....WHERE THE HELL IS IT IN THE CATALOG? I looked all over the damn crystal section, and can't find it.
TOPIC - NEw Dialer
DATE - 09/01/98 23:11:13
FROM - PAnik (formally 006½) Ri - No domain available Ok while in my travels I came across a voice activated autodial in some airline mag. it costs $99 and looks pretty sman cool it stores 200 people and 800 numbers. Im not sure if it is hackable...then again anything is hackable. anywho the catologue number is:#SI580G and to order it you can call toll free: 1800 Skymall. or you can dial *759 on your GTE airfone if you have one of those laying around.
FonePhreakinG 4 EverYonE
TOPIC - xtals
DATE - 09/01/98 21:34:52
FROM - DARK~SPIRIT Dude, i ordered the 6.53 and the 6.50 crystals from mouser and i looked at them and the only difference i saw was the numbers on the tops of them, they seem to be the same size to me.
TOPIC - yeah
DATE - 09/01/98 21:30:03
FROM - _ and besides.....as has been debated here before
the 6.50 Mhz crystal produces more accurate tones than the 6.5536,
so STOP BUYING THE 6.5536!!!!!!!
TOPIC - Redboxing
DATE - 09/01/98 20:32:53
FROM - Quake Phreak CACool, some real (somewhat) activity going on here! Ok, to clear things up: the RatShack LCD (65-721) dialer has an LCD screen, is smaller than 43-146, uses one less AAA battery, stores 75 names with two fone numbers each, has a built-in calculator, looks cool, and is somewhat easier to stuff a 6.5xMHz crystal in into it.
I say if you want a RatShack dialer, go for this one. Its cheaper! I DO have a stealth combo box, and I got the 6.50MHz crystal and two mercury switches from Mouser. They sent me the glass switches instead of the metal ones though, so I complained to them and they sent me two more metal ones at no charge. Of course, I don't dare open up my box again, as it works fine with glass mercury switches.
This thing is cool, I had plenty of room to put the crystal inside plus the two mercury switches, and it closes properly. Yes, the quarter tones are waaayyy two slow to be real, but the fone thinks its just 5 nickels in a row instead of a single quarter, so I don't see any problem in that. You'll have a hard time fooling the op though, so don't try it! BTW, the 6.5536MHz crystal is huge compared to the 6.50MHz crystal. I don't see why people are ordering the 6.5536 xtal when Mouser has the 6.50 xtal on the other side of the page for $.37 more! Yeesh.
TOPIC - 20/20
DATE - 09/01/98 18:58:03
FROM - P-Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableI hope some one saw that 20/20 last friday, I think
that shi is whacked, their fucking up the hacker image
big time. They compared the wargames movie to
hackers that stole money. They totaly missed the
point, he wan't out to start a war or steal money
he was looking for a freakin game, and accidentaly
found a military computer . sheesh these media people
have no fuckin idea what kind of heat we get ....
they also keep mistaking cracker to hackers.....
those are to very seperate thing dagnamit..........
I mean come on, they could atleast get their fuckin facts
straight....I think I'll go and write to those 20/20
dumb fucks about this and make a public apology
(as if they will) for misinforming their veiwers.......
well gotta go, gotta go see if I can deblur that #
from tha peice of paper the showed he he...see
if it works :-P
P-Phreak aka(Pinoy Phreak)
HAPPY PHREAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS. if anone out there has a ESS manual email
TOPIC - Funny thing...
DATE - 09/01/98 18:44:15
FROM - Wrighter Heh heh heh
I found this URL the other day, and had a good laugh! Check these guys out - it will make you appreciate your box!
~Wrighter
Hacker's Homepage (now, get a fully functional red box for just $134.99!)
TOPIC - Re: Dj_Kulture
DATE - 09/01/98 18:32:03
FROM - Wrighter (I'll keep this one short)
I say get which ever box you can, the quater tones on all of them are too slow. This is just an inherent problem with the timing in all the dialers - you can't speed up the replay of the tones. From what I hear, though the newer dialers (with the LCD display) are even slower. I don't know for sure, I have one of the older ones.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Red box
DATE - 09/01/98 16:29:04
FROM - Dj_kulture South Carolina - No domain availableOk I am very new to all of this so take it easy on me.
I have already ordered the 6.53xx crystal from mouser and I expect it any day now. However I havent bought
a tone dialer yet because I am having trouble getting
the radio shack 43-146 33 mem dialer. I had heard that
this one was the best. The newer (i think it is the 176 model) is on sell for less though but I was wondering is this one better to modify? Or is it too small to get the crystal in there? Someone said that the Quarter tones were too slow, if that is true should I just wait and get the 43-146 model for more $?
keep in mind that this will be my first project. Would
It be eaiser to use the 43-146 model? or the 176 (calculator) model?
Thanks,
Dj_kulture
TOPIC - Scratch boxes/combo boxes
DATE - 09/01/98 11:57:33
FROM - Wrighter Phatfone, you should be able to find the plans in one of the PLA back issues by RedBoxChilliPepper (that guy needs a shorter name). Unfortunately, this issue doesn't seem to be on the page anymore. Just do a search for "digital redbox" AND PLA. If you don't find it on the first search engine, look on a different one. If you still can't find it, I may send it to you, but only over ICQ.
Blue Box Kid: No, I don't have a combo box. I was too lazy to make one, and nobody around here even knows what a redbox is, let alone recognize one if they saw it (I guess I am pretty lucky: 99% of the phones around here are boxable). I may make one using regular slide switches because I just happen to have some. Anyway, all the mercury switches I've seen are about a 1/2" long. You just have to be real creative in how you place them in the box.
If you need those plans, let me know, and I will give you my icq number.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - The Black Notebook
DATE - 09/01/98 11:53:23
FROM - PhatFone If you don't have "The Black Notebook" created by the Messiah, you should get it. It's a help file with many types of box plans compiled in it. It's neat, and can replace those old .txt plans you've got scattered around on your hard drive. If you've seen a newer version of this file, tell me. It could use a face lift, as there are many box plans that I didn't see listed, but its nice to have all the same.
Download "The Black Notebook" Here...
TOPIC - The Black Notebook
DATE - 09/01/98 11:52:41
FROM - PhatFone If you don't have "The Black Notebook" created by the Messiah, you should get it. It's a help file with many types of box plans compiled in it. It's neat, and can replace those old .txt plans you've got scattered around on your hard drive. If you've seen a newer version of this file, tell me. It could use a face lift, as there are many box plans that I didn't see listed, but its nice to have all the same.
TOPIC - Scratch Boxes
DATE - 09/01/98 11:40:13
FROM - PhatFone Hey Wrighter:
Do you think you can email me those plans, or post them. I am pondering making a red box from scratch, but I have a different set of plans. It would be nice to compare the two. Thankz
TOPIC -
DATE - 09/01/98 03:58:37
FROM - Blue Box kid Idahohey Wrighter, you have a stealth combo box right? well, i am wondering how long the mercury switches are in the box? i went to RADAR electronics today and the ones they had were like almost 1/2 inch long! i figured that they werent the right ones. hehe..
BTW do u have icq?
TOPIC - Scratch boxes/video
DATE - 09/01/98 02:52:39
FROM - Wrighter I agree with Ray, that a rat shack box is pretty easy to make. After trying for over a month (and still trying) to make a box from scratch, making one from a dialer was laughably simple. Now, I don't mean this to rip anyone who can't get theirs to work, I just mean that a box from scratch is just about impossible to make relative to a rat shack box. However, I am slowly making progress on a digital redbox - the one by Kwiq of Moonlight BBS. I discovered today that I had made a mistake when I transfered the circuit onto a PCB, and figuered this a very probable cause of failure. Also, I need a 600 Ohm impedence speaker for this thing, preferably small as possible. They have proven somewhat difficult to find, but if I could get one about the same size as rat shack's 8 ohm mini speaker would be really cool. I think I could fit the whole thing, battery and all, into a pack of gum like the one at Defcon '94. One main problem in this endevor is finding all the right parts, without having to mail order from 5 different companies. If I ever actually get this to go, I may make a video myself about it. I would really like to see more info about scratch boxes, and lower-cost, high-quality boxes. I figuer the price range for this digital box will be some where between 10 and 20 dollars. If I ordered all the parts at the same time from the same place, it would be closer to ten.
As far as problems with dialers go, my rat trap is the 43-146 model number, and I had a problem with the switches in it, which seemed to stop the box from functioning at all. BTW - I am talking about the original on/off and dial/store switches; I didn't add any more. I took my box apart several times just comparing the parts with schematics for other boxes, and it seems that the switches have to be in the right places for it to work. It will turn one, but it won't make any sound. If this is what is happening, try switching the switches (no pun intended). This seemed to fix the problem with mine. What model dialer are you using, crazy 1/4?
~Wrighter
TOPIC - in response
DATE - 09/01/98 01:35:54
FROM - Blue box kid Idahohey crazy, i dont know if it matters but on my box, i couldnt get tones unless the crystal was with the letters down, try soldering the 6.xxxxx crystal right site up and up side down. i am useing a 6.4mhz crystal and it works great!
TOPIC - help
DATE - 09/01/98 01:06:03
FROM - crazy1/4 Could the reason why my red box is not working be because i have the 6.5536 MHz crystal in my dialer in-stead of the 6.50 or the 6.49??some one please help me.
there is so much to learn and not enough time!!!
sssshhhhiiiiiitttttttt!!!
TOPIC - Box Proto
DATE - 08/31/98 22:50:10
FROM - PhatFone KSI would have to agree with Ray, it's not hard to figure
out how to convert a rat shack dialer into a redbox. But.... It would be great to see it done by scratch.
It would be even kewler if you could make a kit like what the L0pht did with their POSAG paging decoders.
There are a few companies that will build a free prototype if you send them the plans, in hopes of getting you to buy more if your happy with the outcome.
I thought about sending them plans for a red box circit
just to see if they would do it.
TOPIC - Red Box makeing
DATE - 08/31/98 21:29:56
FROM - Dogwelder - No domain availablei was wondering if recording the tones from your computer would work, give me a yell if you know it would or you tried it. My redbox recently had an accident and the nearest radio shack is quite a ways a way.
TOPIC - A Redboxing Video
DATE - 08/31/98 20:40:04
FROM - Ray Dios Haque United Phreaks SynidcateDude, a Red Box is the single most EASIEST thing to make. The way I look at it, if you can't make a redbox, than you probably don't need one. Now, what you 'should' do is make a video on how you can make a red box from scratch. That would be cool. Maybe even use a Rat Shack Printed Circuit Board (PCB) Kit so that your project is nice and clean. That would be kewl.
-Ray
PS, I also will take donations (of any kind). Thanks to all who have donated. So far I have collected two boxes of used adult diapers, box with what appears to be a decapitated cat head, and a rat skeleton which was labled as being Jon Bonet Ramsey's body (how tasteless).
United Phreaks Syndicate
TOPIC - ReBoxVideo
DATE - 08/31/98 19:22:13
FROM - Pinoy Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableI think I will make the video, just for fun.......
PS I need some hardware so I can port the vid-cam
on my PC.....If anyone cares to donate please do
EMAIL ME IF YOUR SERIOUS ABOUT DONATING
Doesn't matter if it's a cheap shit
TOPIC - cellular phreaking
DATE - 08/31/98 19:03:40
FROM - crazy1/4 i am so nervous i was just on my roof doing some cell fone phreaking and i came inside to get some more freq. and these unmarked big white van's drove past my house really slow one had USWest latters on top of it. and on one of the channels i was listining some poeple were talking about some one getting in trouble with the FBI. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
TOPIC - REdBox Video
DATE - 08/31/98 18:29:25
FROM - Pinoy Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableI wasn't aware that somebody made a video welll I guess I won't be making it then .....
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/31/98 17:57:28
FROM - Dean Olsman ill Give You 100$ To Show Your Face
TOPIC - red box video
DATE - 08/31/98 17:35:44
FROM - British Somebody wasted the time and effort on making a red box video already.
TOPIC - RedBox Video
DATE - 08/31/98 13:57:00
FROM - Pinoy Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableYo, guys I was thinking of making a video on how
to make a redbox should i do it?
post :
yes = good idea
no = lame idea
TOPIC - xtal
DATE - 08/31/98 13:40:37
FROM - Pinoy Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableOk, guys I just ordered my xtal last saturday and will
probably get it this wednesday/thursday,
cuz mouser will be sending the invoice today so I just have to wait
a little while longer ....oh and did I tell you guys that I stole
a soldering iron kit with all the goodies from rat shack....well..I
also found ou that at my school they still have those old
payphones(5 of them to be exact) that are very boxable
so i'll be boxing like hell he he he he well gots ta go
read some post .
HAPPY PHREAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOPIC - crystals
DATE - 08/31/98 11:34:22
FROM - _ crazy 1/4:
Why did you use a 6.5536? Was that the only type you could get?
6.49s are pretty hard to find, but a 6.50 is easy to find, and is still better than a 6.5536.
So get a 6.50.... look in the ads in 2600 or Blacklisted 411, you can get one for
$4 that INCLUDES shipping. So just do it.
TOPIC - shit
DATE - 08/31/98 02:28:15
FROM - crazy1/4 i just (2 day's ago)built a red box with the 6.5536 MHz chip that i had ordered from mouser and if that is the reason why it has fialed to work every time i use it then i will be fuckin mad
TOPIC - red box & stuff
DATE - 08/30/98 18:22:53
FROM - ?2 Magus-Ohki:
6.49 is the optimum crystal to use...it's the type Bernie S used to sell. I have one of those (from Bernie S) my box, which is one of those older Radio Shack units that are brown with the gold faceplate, and it works just great.
As far as getting a free local call.....this trick used to work, but I haven't tried it recently.
Dial 1-800-COLLECT (or something like that)
its the automated collect calling method that lets you say your name, which is recorded, then you punch in the number you want to call collect to.
The system calls that person, and says "Would you accept a call from" (then the recording of you saying your name is played)....Press 1 for yes"
Anyway, if the person just hangs up, nothing happens.
So, what you do is when it asks you to say your name, you quickly say "Hey mom pick me up at K-mart", so that is what the person hears when the system calls them. Then your mom just hangs up, nobody gets charged anything, and she has a free message from you!
get it?
TOPIC - Red box stuff
DATE - 08/30/98 18:11:03
FROM - PhatFone KSQuake Phreak,
Yeh it was a real bitch making the square cut for the switch. I put it on the curved side of the box, right beside the speaker. I had to run wires to the switch, which made it kind of tough to get the dam thing closed. Also, when I was filing the other side of the box for the top part of my switch, i must have cut part of that mylar stuff running into the LCD screen, because when I powered it up, the display worked fine, but one line of pixels on the first like didn't work.
But I can still read the display so I'm pretty happy.
I tried it out with much success on the old fones I always used with my other box. I found that the tones would register better by using the SLOW key. I can't get the quarters to register, only nickels. Out here red boxing has almost become obsolete with the new fortress fones Southwestern Bell is installing. It seems like there everywhere! Anyone know of a work around for Southwestern Bell's new fones?
TOPIC - umm...no
DATE - 08/30/98 13:54:28
FROM - 02 i just got off the tolietin MCM electronics they got a keychain fone dialer, can i make this into a red box or do i have to go to the fucking rat shack and buy one of theres
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/30/98 04:49:13
FROM - Magus-Ohki Washington StateThere ^
TOPIC - follow-up
DATE - 08/30/98 04:40:22
FROM - Magus-Ohki Realy.....6.49 does work better? I thought it realy wouldn't make a difference....but I guess its only logical. Has someone actualy suceeded with a 6.49 where the other crystals failed?
About the COCOTS.....I ment using a RED BOX cause you have to use a different method on a COCOT. A misunderstanding.
About making local calls.....how are you people doing it? All the phones in my area (GTE) cannot be boxed for local calls.....10-10-288 doesn't work (GTE got wise to that trick)...It pisses me off cause tonight I was stranded with only a nickel and my box....and my ride was a local call (then though they were 20 miles away). What would I do? I havnt had this problem before cause Ive only been trying Long Distance numbers.
As for the test numbers.....no one can get it working on a GTE phone.....you got it woring on an AT&T....And Im sure others who use the number got it working on an AT&T too....It seems that every company has a different test number (gee...that was a hard conclusion to come too). If anyone knows a test number for a GTE or any other company own phone...let us know.
TOPIC - people(phreaks)
DATE - 08/29/98 17:48:52
FROM - crazy1/4 Does any one know any phreaks in the Salt Lake City area of utah? i need some friends that phreak none of my friends think it is cool, and i need some one who knows the fones in SLC. UT Cause i am new to the game.
Magus- thanx i will try your info!!. where are you from??
TOPIC - picture
DATE - 08/29/98 14:24:32
FROM - DARK~SPIRIT Ok, i know some of you are getting tired of me saying this, but if anyone has a picture of thier combo box or one of those boxes with "earphone jack" things in it to change the crystal, i would GREATLY appreciate it if you could send it to me. Thank you.
TOPIC - help
DATE - 08/29/98 12:48:35
FROM - Quake Phreak CAActually Magus, the closer the new crystal is to 6.49MHz, the better chance you will have of the redbox working on a fone. Think of it, if I wanted to fool you into thinking I'm you're mom(!?) or something, I would try to steal someone's vocal cords very similar to hers.
About the COCOTs, remember my trip to Palm Springs?? I've called out lots of times from COCOTs. It all depends on what kind of COCOT it is; some fones mute the mouthpiece, some don't accept incoming calls, some disable the DTMF pad, etc. Some don't let you access the "10-numbers" like 10-10-288 or 10-10-321. There is a way around most of these, however.
Local numbers aren't really "harder" to do, they just take longer than if you actually put in $.35. Calling my friend's house from less than two miles away "cost" me $1.60 with 10-10-288!!
I've only been able to access the test number once, and that was when I was in the Simon Wiesenthal Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles (plug). Anyways, I was coming out of the bathroom when lo and behold, a genuine ATT (not GTE) fortress!! I tried the test number, and it worked!! All I have where I live are either COCOTs or GTE owned, so I can't get the number to work.
Millenium Phones are pretty easy to spot. If it has some sort of digital display, it usually means the fone is hi-tech (what else?) and can't be boxed - for now...
TOPIC - binary
DATE - 08/29/98 11:30:07
FROM - Magus-Ohki I saw the binary listing and I bet some of you would like to know how binary can equal numbers. Well here is how it works...
Lets take a 4 bit binary string...It includes 4 digets. Each diget symbolizes a numerical value. The series is as followed...
| 8 | 4 | 2 | 1 |
Now heres the fun part... in order to make this string equal a value, you turn SOME of the bits ON (1) and the others off (0). Then you add the bits that are on...and get the number it equals like so.....
Lets make a 6
| 8 | 4 | 2 | 1 |
| 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4+2=6 (thats why it skips over 6)
other numbers would be...
8=1000
5=0101
3=0011
Now a standard 8 bit series works the same way, but it looks like this...
| 128 | 64 | 32 | 16 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 1 |
35=001000011
Now in computers (or at least C64 erra computers) this number is converted into an ASCII code. Each diget, letter (upper and lower), graphic pixle, etc has its own ASCII code. (check the character map to see what I mean) The computer then displays the character associated with the ASCII value.
This is the BASIC function of binary....it DOES get more complicated.
TOPIC - help
DATE - 08/29/98 11:13:59
FROM - Magus-Ohki 6.50 and 6.49 crystals don't work better, they are just smaller and closer to the actualy frequency. That is why people perfer them. But "no" they do not work better than what you have.
If you cannot got your box working right chances are you probably need to little tricks to get around it.
Go through this checklist...
1. Check the phone your using. Is it made by GTE USWest, Pacific Bell, AT&T, etc.? If not, then its a COCOT, and cannot be boxed.
2. Try inserting a real nickel before playing the tones. This sometimes works.
3. Before dialing the number, attatch 1-288-1-(xxx) xxx-xxxx or 10-10-222-1-(xxx)-xxx-xxxx. Some payphones cannot access these numbers (and AT&T cannot use 10-288)
4. Try the test number 0-959-1230. Im TOLD it works.....but I cannot access the number.
If none of this works, chances on you have hit a Millenium phone - a Digital payphone that is box-proof. Go on to another phone. Also dial only long distance numbers to start out with....local calls are harder to do.
TOPIC - new dial
DATE - 08/29/98 03:57:48
FROM - crazy1/4 yesterday i put together a red box with the rat shak dialer, and the 6.5536 crystal. but i heard that the 6.50, and 6.49 work better is this true is so i wonder if that is why it hasent worked on any fone i used today.please give me advise
TOPIC - THANX!
DATE - 08/29/98 02:18:40
FROM - Blue Box Kid Idahothanx Wrighter! You are really kewl. Yea, i tried that coin test number that was posted by i dunno i cant remember. The guy in Utah. Well, the 959 prefix, is a real prefix in my area, so i didnt work. I need the prefix for Boise, Idaho. Maybe you can help me find it? I am currently awaiting response from my fellow PLA member/leader, Acidcrawl. He is really bussy with college right now so i really need sum help.
ok here are the list of the projects in the "big yellow book"
portable tone generator
telefone status monitor
fone tone ringer, FCC approved tone ringer, fone or ext. tone ringer, fone line monitor, tone dial generator, tone dial decoder, Remote ring extender switch, tone dial encoder, fone relay, fone controled tape starter, line powerd repertory dialer, off hook indicator, handset tone dial encoder, low line loading ring detector, auto answer and ring indicator, autopatch fone line interface, fone ringer uses piezo transducer, electronic fone bell.
btw my anyone!!!!!! MY ICQ NUMBER IS 11643852
TOPIC - Forgot to mention...
DATE - 08/29/98 02:13:04
FROM - Wrighter Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that the phone->redbox has the same problem as the dialers in that the quarter tones are still way too slow. This I expected, but I haven't figured out a rememedy for it yet. Give me time....
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Making redboxes out of regular phones (more spew)
DATE - 08/29/98 02:01:06
FROM - Wrighter Hey every body, while I was rethinking my digital phone spew, I was fiddling with my phone. It's a sony with number storage capablilities. I stuck my extra 6.5 MHz crystal in it, programmed it like you program a tone dialer, and Voila! Instant redbox! Okay, so not so instant. It stills runs off the phone line, so you would have to attach 2 9v batteries to it. If you got one of those "mini" phones, you could modify it to have three boxes in one, and maybe even put it all in a smaller case! Add the batteries, as well as keeping the line jack, and install a switch between them. Then put in both the 3.57 (original) and 6.5 MHz crystal with a switch between them, like in a combo box. That should be all that is nessasary (<--- I have no idea how to spell that word) to have a white box, red box, and plain old telephone all in one. I am not sure yet why I would want to carry a telephone around, but I still might have to try this. BTW - my phone is all in the handset: the base is just a plastic thingy to set the phone on. The only cord it has goes right to the wall jack. You should still be able to do this with a two-part phone, but it might be bigger and more difficult.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - more room
DATE - 08/29/98 01:51:13
FROM - Magus-Ohki Need more room in you old style Tone dialer? Well remove the beeping speaker, and break off the plastic that held it.
Whats that you say? Need MORE room? Ok....in the lower right corner or the black blob there is this tube-like object wraped in plastic with ribs down the side. What is this thing? I have no idea....but I do know one thing....its important to the useless speaker you just removed.
So.....REMOVE IT! Gasp.....look at ALL the extra room you just made by removing a useless part. Plus you box works JUST FINE without it!!!!
I haven't tested it yet, but I think the resistor to the left of it is another useless part.
BTW....the micro resistor next to the tube thingy is another usless part, but dont bother wasting time trying to get it out....its too small to get in the way.
P.S. Heres a challenge....someone try and see if any of the compasitors are useless parts too.
TOPIC - LCD Dialer
DATE - 08/29/98 01:33:04
FROM - Quake Phreak CAHeya Phatfone, glad to hear that you've gotten your box to work! I myself have installed two mercury switches inside my box, and it looks like I haven't even touched the thing (good if a cop comes by). I'm not so good at gouging out things in plastic unless they are circular, 'cuz then I just use a drill. I still have to learn how to mount square switches and the like...
TOPIC - too much money
DATE - 08/29/98 01:28:39
FROM - ?2 Pinoy Phreak -- If you box in too much money, the recording will tell you something like "You have 10 cents credit toward overtime"
one of these days this will happen to you, and you'll know what I'm talking about.
TOPIC - Just finished New Red Box
DATE - 08/29/98 00:13:47
FROM - Phatfone KSWell, I just put together my LCD Red box.
I used a small rat shack switch. I took a hobby
knife and a file and cut a hole on the side of the box with the curve running down it to mount it, so that only the very top of the switch is visible. It looks pretty good, almost like It belongs there. I tested it all before I closed it all up, and every thing worked good. Then I closed up the box, and only the red tones would work. What a bitch!! So I opened her up again and took out all those dam screws and found that I had a loose contact, so I re-soldered it put it back together and it worked great!
Greetz goes out to RAY for his post on how he soldered his switch. Thankz!
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/28/98 22:18:45
FROM - RonJeremy Somone should scan the ESS manual and post it on like pla or something
TOPIC - Questions
DATE - 08/28/98 17:58:33
FROM - Pinoy Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableDARK~SPIRIT, when you "put too much money" in the phone
it will not give you back money because you didn't put in real money it's only a bunch of tones, or you could also try to call the OP and ask for a refund or something. look for RBCP's PLA issue and read it
i forgot which issue of PLA so you'll have to look around.
TOPIC - QUESTIONS
DATE - 08/28/98 17:30:10
FROM - DARK~SPIRIT OKi got 2 questions:
1) if you pt in too much "money" in the phone, will it give you change, likeu box 3 quarters and it only costs 2 will they send you the 3rd back ?
2) when you put in the new crystal, does it change the frequency of the tone of the speed of it ?
I know these probably are really lame questions, but ohh well. I guess im just really stupid.
TOPIC - My bad
DATE - 08/28/98 17:00:55
FROM - LoRD CHaoS I screwed up! If you wouldn't mind, please highlight the black space in my previous message posted.
-L.C.
TOPIC - ????-xxxx
DATE - 08/28/98 16:57:47
FROM - LoRD CHaoS Hey everyone,
can you all help me out. Boxing is become a little more dangerous in my town due to pigs and operators monitoring fones and fonelines in my area. Lately I've been sticking to simple shit until it cools down a little bit. All I've really been doing is beige, lunch, and gold boxing. Anyway, that little trick where you get the operator to call a fone # back sounds like phun but I can't phind out the phirst 4 digits of the number. I live in Central Kentucky in a city called Richmond which is next to a bigger city called Lexington, both of the cities are in the area code 606 and my phriend claims he blue boxed downtown about 4 days ago ( I'll check it out within a week ). Anyway, can someone please help me out here!
-L.C.
PLA
TOPIC - Neat phone
DATE - 08/28/98 16:52:04
FROM - Astrogeek Venus...(901)Exxon seems to be building a lot of these great new gas stations near here. But what I found really interesting was that the payphones that they installed inside the gas stations have a fax maching built right into them! I have never seen them before, and I was wondering if it would be possible to phreak them too. Anyway, just thought someone might be interested. I'll try messing around with them some more, but all the Bellsouth phones around here seem to be muted.
TOPIC - ESS
DATE - 08/28/98 16:17:06
FROM - Pinoy Phreak LA/HP - No domain availableYo, LogicBomb you say you gots a manual on ESS,
why don't you hook us up with a copy......xerox them and
send them out over my (to all the phreakers way)
way?
TOPIC - COCOTs
DATE - 08/28/98 14:44:06
FROM - Quake Phreak CANah, Magus, its not a stroke of genius. I read it somewhere - I think something by RBCP. Its cool, since you get an unrestricted line - AND I got my $.35 back!
TOPIC - Radio Shack keychain voice memo recorders
DATE - 08/28/98 11:56:22
FROM - wSTkSTdank CaliRadio shack has a keychain voicememo recorder available for fifteen dollars. They are very convienient if you want to clone the sound off of the programmable model without the trouble and expense.
TOPIC - TONE DIALER PROGRAMMING
DATE - 08/28/98 11:52:04
FROM - wSTkSTdank CaliQuake.. You said that you programmed you chinger to nickels, dimes, quarters? My suggestion is using a $.25/.75/1.00 programming. You can program the radio shack model up to a dollar sxty five, and the phone will give you credit if you put in to much.
TOPIC - Answering questions
DATE - 08/28/98 11:46:28
FROM - Wrighter Hey Blue Box Kid, I'm answering you!
Have you tested out that crystal and made sure the frequencies are correct, using one of those coin test numbers?
Also, I have somewhat rethought my previous hypothesis. Perhaps the redbox tones, when generated with a 6.5 crystal (or what ever crystal) in a regular tone dailer, are represented the same as when the dialer was unmodified. I mean perhaps * is still equal to 1011. I am not sure if the decoder simply assignes a value depending on the actual key pressed, or if it does it according to frequency. Supposing it is the latter, the difficult part would be actually getting the numbers into the phone's decoder by means other then depositing money, while at the same time, generating the ACTS tones. I am afraid that this might be quite difficult; that a physical modification involving actually opening the main part of the phone would be required. This is why I wish we had more digital phones out here; I might be able to find one in the middle of nowhere and have time and privacy to tear the sucker open. At any rate, when I have money I may try to build an IR encoder/decoder set, which can operate up to about 30' apart. This has more to do with robotics then phreaking, but at the same time this will let me tell how the decoder will handle the tones.
On another note, you sound like an ad for those guys! : ) Anything useful/interesting in those schematics?
Hmmmm. I think I am getting off the track, even with my revised hypothesis, now that I look back over it. Pay no attention to the regular button (white box) tones that I was jabbering about. Let me get back to you guys when I have time to really mull over this. As it stands, I am just spewing unorganized ideas, so I'll shut up awhile.
~Wrighter
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/28/98 11:38:52
FROM - Bombtrack Czech out maw new Redboxing site
Redboxing!
TOPIC - HEY LISTEN UP!!!!
DATE - 08/28/98 04:22:17
FROM - Blue Box Kid IdahoHEY!!!! LISTN UP ALL!!!!!!!!
First of all, will ppl answer me when I ask a question please? Ok now to buissness. Wrighter, about the post you made on trying a 6.4 crystal, I have one in my box now, it works fine. I bought it from RADAR electronics. BTW!!! IF ANYONE LIVES IN BOISE,IDAHO; SPOKANE, WASHINGTON; OR RICHLAND, WASHINGTON, RADAR IS IN YOUR TOWN!!!! GO THERE AND BUY THEIR CRYSTALS FOR CHEAP CHEAP PRICE AS WELL AS ANYTIHNG ELSE!!!!! THEY ARE LOADED! Ok, also, i was flipping through my dads electronic circuts book and what do i find but a sht load of schematics for fone crap! ANYONE WANT A DIAGRAM!? >:-) hehehehehehehe lots n' lots!
ok cya all! plus does any one know any coin test numbers for the 208 npa? I would be grateful if anyone would tell me!
TOPIC - HEY! LISTEN UP!!!
DATE - 08/28/98 04:20:56
FROM - Blue Box Kid IdahoHEY!!!! LISTN UP ALL!!!!!!!!
First of all, will ppl answer me when I ask a question please? Ok now to buissness. Wrighter, about the post you made on trying a 6.4 crystal, I have one in my box now, it works fine. I bought it from RADAR electronics. BTW!!! IF ANYONE LIVES IN BOISE,IDAHO; SPOKANE, WASHINGTON; OR RICHLAND, WASHINGTON, RADAR IS IN YOUR TOWN!!!! GO THERE AND BUY THEIR CRYSTALS FOR CHEAP CHEAP PRICE AS WELL AS ANYTIHNG ELSE!!!!! THEY ARE LOADED! Ok, also, i was flipping through my dads electronic circuts book and what do i find but a sht load of schematics for fone crap! ANYONE WANT A DIAGRAM!? >:-) hehehehehehehe lots n' lots!
ok cya all! plus does any one know any coin test numbers for the 208 npa? I would be grateful if anyone would tell me!
TOPIC - DTMF tones = binary numbers
DATE - 08/28/98 03:07:52
FROM - Wrighter What I mean is when the tones are DECODED by use of a G8870 IC, the output is reprsented by a binary number, which is easily readable by a computer. Here's a chart:
_Decimal_ _Binary_
1 0001
2 0010
3 0011
4 0100
5 0101
6 0110
7 0111
8 1000
9 1001
0 1010
* 1011
# 1100
A 1101
B 1110
C 1111
D 0000
As you can see, the numbers have not changed, they are just represented as binary, except that 0 is represented by 10. * through C is 11 to 15, respecfully, and D = 0. Each digit also has its own set of high and low frequencies (duh) that I didn't feel like putting in the chart. Anyway, I am pondering a way of using these and the values of the redbox tones to possibly trick a digital phone. This may not be possible without some sort of physical modification of the phone. Or... there are always those magnetic cards...
So anyway, we have the numbers of the tones - that really doesn't do us a phreaking thing (no pun intende), but if we had the values of the redbox tones, that might help us out. I'll let you guys know if I figuer out anything useful.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - good thing
DATE - 08/28/98 01:15:24
FROM - Magus-Ohki Ya know the new LCD dialer not playing the quarter tones fast enough MAY be a good thing.....think about it....if you ever need to use an operator.....the nickel tones are easier to fool him/her with than the quarter tones!
BTW QuakePhreak......that trick with the two COCOT's is a stroke of genius! I have never seen that one!
PS Has anyone tried 10-10-222 yet? Id like to know if it works the same as 10-288
TOPIC - DTMF tones
DATE - 08/28/98 01:12:24
FROM - In Phase Wrighter -
A few posts down, you said something about the DTMF tones relating to a binary number?
What do you mean by that?
You have seen the DTMF "grid" for the telephone number pad haven't you? Is this what you're talking about?
The DTMF "grid" just shows what pair of DTMF tones is produced by pressing a particular button on the phone.
TOPIC - Oopps!
DATE - 08/27/98 21:42:29
FROM - Wrighter I appologize! It is Wicked Goddess, not Evil Goddess
TOPIC - Reading and Re: Craven
DATE - 08/27/98 21:36:23
FROM - Wrighter The coin test number is mentioned near the bottom of one of my previous posts (and probably other places as well), but someone posted it again in repsonse to your question.
I never tried it, but I hear redboxing doesn't work on digital phones. This is why I never tried it. The digital ones are like vending machines: the record how much money you put in, I believe, by weight.
Also, I think you came to a good place, Evil Goddess (I dig the name, too). I have learned alot here about phreaking, but hacking is not really part of this board. I would like to learn more about hacking too. Hey, have you read the Guide to Mostly Harmless Hacking series? They are kinda a good intro, though some of them I think are lame. They don't really address what my interests are. But that could just be me.
~Wrighter
TOPIC - I'm Back
DATE - 08/27/98 21:22:58
FROM - Quake Phreak CAHey ho men, I just got back from Palm Springs today! Anyways, I brought my red box (the 65-721 model, remember?) to test it out and it works great! First stop: McDonalds. They had a GTE Fortress Fone. I used the dialer to do the number, then flipped it over (merc switches) to make some quarter tones. I ended up calling a number out of state that suppossedly cost my $3.75 or something. Hehe, works great so far! At the hotel, they had some stupid COCOTs that accepted incoming calls. Cool, I just put in $.35 and called up the COCOT right next to me. When it rang, I picked it up and immediately hung up the first fone. The second one gave me a few clicks and then a dialtone! I punched in some numbers on the keypad. In it's pathetic try to defeat fraud, the fone disabled the keypad. Not to worry with 'ol red around. I just used "Manual Dial" on the dialer, and called away! Ok, last stop was home. I needed a ride, but the call was going to be a local one. Damn, can't box, eh? I tried 10-10-321, but it said "This call requires a coin deposit... blah blah" or something. So I tried 10-10-288. It said for me to "insert" $1.60, so I did. Cool, it works on local calls!! One thing though, after two local calls with ATT, I then got the above message when trying the third one. Anybody know why?
BTW, I complained to Mouser about sending me glas mercury switches when I ordered metal ones, so they sent me two extra metal ones AT NO CHARGE. This is so cool!
More stuff: I cant seem to get the 0-959-1230 number to work on fones other than ATT. GTE just doesn't like it...
Ok, one more thing. The quarter tone on the 65-721 dialers is of course to slow to be a real quarter. But if you just use it, ACTS thinks it is five consecutive nickels, which is the same as a quarter, $.25! I have three coins in my dialers memory, nickel, dime, and quarter. The first string would just be the single coin tone, while the other would be a dollars worth of dimes, nickels, or quarters. Ok, I'm done now...
TOPIC - New Red Box
DATE - 08/27/98 19:07:24
FROM - PhatFone KSI just bought the new LCD Tone Dialer (65-721) and they are very K-Rad. They're still on sale for $20.00, down from $34.99. They have shitloads more then the old 33 memory dialers. The new moldel stores 75 entires, each with a name and 2 fone numbers. It can recall the number just like a database by typing the name in. And... It also is a fully functional calculator!! Now,
if the heat starts asking you questions, you can say that you were using your "calculator" to estimate long distance charges!!! The new model is much smaller than than the old one. I can't decide if I want to use mercury switches and make a Stealth box, or just go for the SPDT switch. I think I'll start with an SPDT because I have one of those lying around. L8ters....
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/27/98 18:45:16
FROM - Dark_Cloud (The) Use a 6.50 crystal, or if you can find one a 6.49mhz
They will produce more accurate tones than the 6.5536 ones.
credit goes to in_phase for that phreak tip.
--Dark_Cloud (The)
TOPIC - test#
DATE - 08/27/98 17:31:12
FROM - crazy1/4 the red box test # :0-959-1230 it should work from any where i am in utah and I use it.
~crazy1/4~
TOPIC - Report
DATE - 08/27/98 16:10:57
FROM - Pinoy Phreak CA/HP - No domain availableYo, Wrighter there's alot of digital fones in USC
I went on a field trip a couple of months ago and
all their fones are all digital, too bad I hadn't made a redbox
sooner, i would've tried it , but I doubt that it would've worked
anyway well that's it I guess.
Yo, blow daddy you gonna hook me up with that xtal
check your mail
lates
TOPIC - Test #?
DATE - 08/27/98 15:05:57
FROM - Blow Daddy CA - No domain availableYo, Wrighter, what number did u dial to reach the test line that asks u to deposit nickels, dimes, etc.?
TOPIC - phun
DATE - 08/27/98 14:52:55
FROM - crazy1/4 asddfawell my UPS man was just here and i just got my 6.5536 MHz crystal and i bought a DPDT switch at the rat shak and i am off to make my red box/tone dialer combo. so you guys have phun. *gone to phreak*
TOPIC - 2600
DATE - 08/27/98 14:40:36
FROM - crazy1/4 Ron Jeremy, i just did the same thing . that was cool what does it do. help?
TOPIC - cravin
DATE - 08/27/98 13:54:44
FROM - ~WicKed GodDesS~ Canada - No domain availableSo...most of you sound like you know what your talkin about
Im cravin to know more about hackin or phreakin....anything related really
Anyone care to perhaps send me in the right direction since Im headed somewhere anyway...
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/27/98 13:51:56
FROM - RonJeremy Hey, Out of Curiosity I Called up (on The Phone) The Number My computer Dials To Connect With The Internet When i Heard The Carrier Signal I Blasted A 2600hz Tone Down The LiNE that i got from cphreek prog on the ney About a second later i got a dial tone overlapped with a long beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep what is it what did i do somone help me.
TOPIC - Real use of dialers/tests last night
DATE - 08/27/98 12:56:25
FROM - Wrighter Sorry, RonJeremy, I wasn't intending that to be a rip. I did not realize that you "don't got" a dialer (I love it when people don't use proper grammer, though! : ) ).
BTW, I forgot to mention that when I boxed a call to information in CA, I had to deposite a real nickel first. I fiddled around a while trying to actually get money out of my pocket, when a live op came on, requesting the money. I just hung up, because I want to test the quarter tones on a machine first and see if they work, since the coin test flagged that the timing was too slow. I think I will conduct a study of human perception versus that of the machine...
Anyway, do any of you live in an area where there are lots of digital fones? Where I live they are only in really crowded areas like the mall. Since these are the wave of the future, I suppose I, we, whoever, should start looking for ways the phreak these fones. An interesting thing I just learned the other day: all the DTMF tones are correspondent to a binary number. This is how the fones show the number you dialed in the display... I am sure it is used for other things too... I kind of wish there were more digital fones aroung here so I could fiddle with them. Let me know what you guys think.
~Wrighter
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/27/98 03:38:59
FROM - RonJeremy highlight the black space by my name to see text by it i guess i messed up the colors..
TOPIC -
DATE - 08/27/98 01:57:54
FROM - RonJeremy Hey Wrighter i dont got a tone dialer nor a redbox yet im currently using a tape recorder with the tones i made with a prog .....works alright i guess i got a bluebox but 1 they dont work nomore or 2 its broke cant figure out
ps who knows who the real ronJeremy is in real Life...i know but do you
TOPIC - Report
DATE - 08/27/98 01:33:09
FROM - Wrighter Well, the number worked great! I called up and it took a while, but then the automated teller says, "Coin Test. Deposit Nickle."
So I hit the nickle button.
"Nickle. Deposit Dime."
So I hit the dime button.
"Dime. Deposit Quarter."
So I hit the quarter button.
"Timing error. Deposit Quarter."
Bummer. I am afraid the quarter tones are just too slow. That is the reason I am trying to make a different type of box. BTW - I used a 6.5 MHz crystal from Mouser, which looks like a regular crystal: shiny and oblong. I wonder if a 6.4 would work....
~Wrighter
TOPIC - Real use of dials, where to get crystals, etc.
DATE - 08/27/98 00:22:02
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